Listening to Called to Communion.
The November 19th, 2018 one, about 20 minutes in with Mathew from Oregon.
It’s kind of painful, because he obviously cares deeply– but he doesn’t understand. Which makes it very, very hard to reach out to someone who doesn’t already agree, or doesn’t deeply trust you, specifically, in your judgment.
Since he doesn’t understand, when the hosts try to figure out where he’s coming from, and thus be able to give an answer that is true and satisfying– he gets upset.